tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post4845518144177433860..comments2023-12-25T07:15:05.474-06:00Comments on A Flight Instructor's Journal: Procedure TurnsLindahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12759310284479926735noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-89404287188916875652019-03-10T21:46:54.332-05:002019-03-10T21:46:54.332-05:00When "no PT" is depicted on two legs com...When "no PT" is depicted on two legs coming into a holding pattern, the holding pattern becomes a part of the procedure. That's why the holding pattern is depicted in 8 weight (bold) procedural line. Don't confuse "no PT" with "no hold." In this case, at least the entry into the hold is required to establish inbound is required (unless radar vectored, etc). This is why the "no PT" shows in these types of approaches. It is because the bold track in the depicted holding pattern is required. In general, if it's a bold line in the approach, then it's referred to as a procedural line and should be flown as part of the procedure.<br /><br />A review of the FAA TERPS standards. You can find it here until superseded: https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Order/Order_8260.3D_vs3.pdfAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15266669566579730179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-8721516782561898752019-03-10T21:33:12.382-05:002019-03-10T21:33:12.382-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15266669566579730179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-3820982290287054912018-05-15T09:43:05.270-05:002018-05-15T09:43:05.270-05:00Sam - you still go with timing the entry. It may ...Sam - you still go with timing the entry. It may make your entry shorter than the in/outbound legs but it will keep you within the protected space allocated for the hold pattern.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-27251615887807775372017-02-28T02:32:05.165-06:002017-02-28T02:32:05.165-06:00It works because you're already correcting for...It works because you're already correcting for the wind on the outbound. Whatever you heading is to maintain the course you turn 90 degrees off of it. It's not 90 degrees off the radial.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10132914652939053485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-85501201816821527522016-06-28T06:01:15.470-05:002016-06-28T06:01:15.470-05:00Any comments on when you have a gps approach with ...Any comments on when you have a gps approach with a holding pattern / course reversal that is specified in miles? If entering via parallel or teardrop, do you go out 1 min, then turn... And then once established in the hold do the distance for the legs ... Or do you go the distance for your entry maneuvers?Samnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-54569474456844543602013-04-24T18:18:36.596-05:002013-04-24T18:18:36.596-05:00Ya, I agree. I'm not sure how the 90-270 pans ...Ya, I agree. I'm not sure how the 90-270 pans out with a signifigant wind. Especially if it is perpendicular to the maneuver. I guess I'll have to try it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-57707385364719989672013-02-17T10:01:07.914-06:002013-02-17T10:01:07.914-06:00A problem I have noticed with your article regards...A problem I have noticed with your article regards your recommendation of 90-270 degree procedure turns. You screenshot your procedure turn and stressed how great the turn is because it brings you back to exactly where you start. But, this will not always be the case, and is likely not to be the case in real life scenarios. With any sort of wind at all, regardless of the 90-270 turn, you will drift either left or right of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-39881635593718411662010-01-26T09:04:56.852-06:002010-01-26T09:04:56.852-06:00Another thought I had on the procedure turn was in...Another thought I had on the procedure turn was in VOR / Localizer approaches. As a student, I always had some form of DME, but recently found myself practicing a VOR approach in an airplane not equipped with DME or GPS. I realized that if you had to make the approach without the aid of ATC (comm failure, radar out, et cetera), the VOR would give you an accurate fix to let you know when it was safe to descend and you could simply follow a timed approach.Alanhttp://socialdetour.com/Alan.usernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33815105.post-46404653507608083872008-05-20T11:55:00.000-05:002008-05-20T11:55:00.000-05:00Linda,I am looking for some ICAO information on pr...Linda,<BR/><BR/>I am looking for some ICAO information on procedure turns and cannot find it easily. I believe you have to be alligned withing 30 degrees of the outbound procedure turn course when you cross the IAF to begin the procedure turn. Do you have any ICAO information? ron@talcottaviation.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com